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    Caught between a rock and a hard place mate! What I will say though, the world we live in is far too reliant upon "the system" as it is, as much as I'd like some sort of socialist eutopia where everyone is free and equal it isn't gonna happen as people will always be selfish cunts. Therefore, maintaining a balance that doesn't see the toppling of civilisation appeals more than the proletariat rising, taking over, then descending into an apocolyptic free for all like the end of the Soviet Union. Or the Arab Spring; that was good for all of ten seconds, wasn't it?

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    I think we should run a little experiment. Everyone put Francois on 'ignore' for a week and let's see if we like things here any better. If so - leave the EU. If not - stay in the EU.

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    Like franc said though - he's not in the EU. It's only neutrals and colonial relics out here in the sidewalk foreign wilderness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshkid View Post
    I think we should run a little experiment. Everyone put Francois on 'ignore' for a week and let's see if we like things here any better. If so - leave the EU. If not - stay in the EU.
    fuck no. François provides a positive balance to our more misanthropic members

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    Quote Originally Posted by volstenhulme View Post
    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that leaving the decision to back room deals by parties with a vested interest is any better but, let's be fair, this is too important a decision to be left to "average Dave" coz he's heard "Herr Merkel wants us all to live under Sharia law". I think the right to vote should be earned by some sort of proving of understanding.
    Everyone has as much right to vote as you, just because you think someone's thick doesn't mean they are. Even if they are, it doesn't lessen their right to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy smoke View Post
    fuck no. François provides a positive balance to our more misanthropic members
    +1 for Franc.

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    I don't think I, or anyone else, should be allowed to vote on this. There should never have been the chance of a referendum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Load View Post
    Like franc said though - he's not in the EU. It's only neutrals and colonial relics out here in the sidewalk foreign wilderness.
    Oh yeah he's Swiss isn't he?

    Imagine a Britain with far fewer Kinder variations on the shelves and no Polish food section. That's what you're voting for.

    But seriously...I do find it interesting that when a big political issue like this looms on the horizon it often appears as though the reasons for its appearance get swept under the carpet. The migrant crisis, energy crisis, climate crisis, terrorism crisis, economic crisis, the World Cup win in 1966, The Beatles, World War 1 & 2, the battle of Waterloo, the Norman invasion in 1066, Viking raids on Northern fishing villages...all have brought us to where we are today. It's not just about trade and immigration, it's about national security and identity. British people will ALWAYS want to be out on a purely emotional level.

    Why does Britain want out now though? I suspect because it sees how the USA has failed to negotiate effectively, and it feels Europe is viewed the same way by nations that aren't in Europe or the USA. As a big deaf and dumb monster. And increasingly, a threat to the rest of the world. With the spate of awful shit that has been targeting EU countries recently (terrorism, rise in sexual assaults against women, refugee/migrant crisis, economic shit) you can bank on some kind of political upheaval in the near future. By which I mean more extremism. If it was the case that extreme right or left wing politics took hold across Europe, you could understand why Britain might want out...it could become a very scary place very quickly.

    I can see how a small friendly, smart, rich, and (relatively) militarily un-threatening country like Britain could have a really important role to play in global politics given that scenario.

    But having said all that, it's just speculation and what I really think this is about is Britain flexing for global PR points and to try and buy more opportunities to break the rules in our favour. Just like what Cameron asked for in January. How boring.

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    Anyone got any good reading material on this subject? I'm shit with politics but plan to vote on this. My current opinion is stay because I think it possibly might make travelling to Dublin from Belfast slightly more annoying as well as travelling to anywhere in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephencoxy View Post
    Anyone got any good reading material on this subject? I'm shit with politics but plan to vote on this. My current opinion is stay because I think it possibly might make travelling to Dublin from Belfast slightly more annoying as well as travelling to anywhere in Europe.
    Good place to start: http://researchbriefings.parliament....mmary/CBP-7213

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    voting in. vote leave campaign is a load of shite. it seems as though everyone's just forgotten that it's not (insert relevant year where being racist was apparently acceptable) and being racist is really not fucking safe obviously. whole campaign is basically based on blokes in pubs plucking some brexit 'facts' from the sun and telling their mate 'that they work hard though'.

    fuck boris too the complete cunt

    sure people on facebook have probs seen it by now, the dude writes like a bit of a chief but it's still a good read - https://www.facebook.com/georgeyb91/...56954125750504
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymity View Post
    The above isn't a reason to do anything, let alone make a decision on possibly the most important vote any of us will ever make in our lifetimes.
    Think about what you're saying wayout.

    Research it and make up your own mind.
    We could probably have a good debate about this though

    EDIT: No diss intended though wayout but forming an opinion based on the thinking above is (in my opinion) tantamount to the "there's no point voting, nothing will change" 'argument'.
    If democracry has any value at all, then its value relies on involvement on a personal level and formulating an opinion based on research.
    The cunts in charge rely on that kind of autonomy-destroying thinking.
    why are you assuming i'm planning to vote without looking further in to anything? surely starting a discussion on here shows otherwise for a start?

    also, being honest i don't see why that could not be a valid reason to vote anyway. the current government have gone out of their way to prove that they are power hungry, selfish cunts who don't give a fuck about the people in this country. why would i want to leave the EU and give them even more chance rig elections for all eternity and drive us further into hell. we also seem to have a history of sticking our AK47 equipped nose into other people's business so i wouldn't mind having an entire continent there to support us.
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    Anon - "A month later and Nicky Morgan announced that the govt were binning the idea".

    And not much long after that in the Queens speech recently, this topic was still present so I would not say they have dashed it entirely.

    Anon again - "what about Scottish independence referendum then by the logic of that post?"

    Am I right in remembering that they even lowered the voting age for the Scottish referendum?? Talk about wanting the uninformed and less worldly wise to vote.


    An interesting watch is Brexit the movie, readily available on YouTube.
    Much of the leave justification is quite well explained.
    This does not mean that I am a full on leaver as I enjoy the freedom of Europe, some of the protections that it offers etc but when hidden and un-elected lobbyists impose things upon the country that work for some countries and not for others, I can't help but feel a bit pissed by the idea.
    Problem is, I have little faith in the Conservatives regardless of in or out of the EU. Out of the EU, they become a pretty much unregulated, licence to do what they like party with a proven track record for being utter shits.
    Skating on roids + Lance Mountain swearing and talking about how fit he is?? Really weird

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    Quote Originally Posted by pervert View Post
    voting in. vote leave campaign is a load of shite.
    I think both campaigns are questionable myself. Brexiters are all racists against immigration and Remainers are all mad idealist lefties apparently.

    For one thing I think it is a debate well worth having. I don't trust what goes on inside the EU and according to a Polish person I was speaking to lately, the current president is a former Polish politician who wasn't too popular in his home country. The whole thing seems to be able to function freely without having to answer for what it does.

    I love the idea that we can be free to work each other's countries and get cheap flights across the place but that seems a pretty superficial reason to behind it all.

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    fuck politics you nerds ha ha, i roached my polling card

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